diff --git a/docs/random/wtay/clocking2 b/docs/random/wtay/clocking2
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+The clock
+---------
+
+The clock always returns reference time
+
+Element State change
+--------------------
+
+Each element receives the current clock reference time
+in the state change function.
+
+On PAUSED to PLAYING 
+
+An element starts sending buffers with timestamp 
+reftime + internal counter
+
+After a seek, the element sets internal counters to 0
+
+
+Bin state change
+----------------
+
+PAUSED to PLAYING
+
+bin propagates clock time to children
+
+
+Toplevel bin state change
+-------------------------
+
+PAUSED to PLAYING
+
+start time is set to ref time
+stream time is thus 0
+
+start time is sent to state change of children
+
+
+use case 1
+----------
+
+filesrc ! mad ! osssink
+
+pipeline PAUSED to PLAYING:
+
+start time = ref time
+
+filesrc state change gets starttime
+mad state change gets starttime
+osssink state change gets starttime
+
+mad sends buffers with timestamp starttime + internal counter
+osssink syncs these samples against the clock with starttime + timestamp
+
+PLAYING to PAUSED
+
+nothing happens
+
+use case 2
+----------
+
+ { filesrc ! mad ! queue } ! osssink
+
+let it play for a while
+PAUSE the thread
+PLAY the thread
+thread is not the toplevel bin, use same starttime as when 
+it first started.
+do state change on elements with same starttime
+
+use case 3
+----------
+
+  filesrc ! mad ! mixer ! osssink
+
+                  !
+  filesrc ! mad !-^ 
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
diff --git a/docs/random/wtay/clocking3 b/docs/random/wtay/clocking3
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+
+blocking wait
+-------------
+
+- allocate a new clock entry
+- add to list of pending sync waits
+- do {
+    wait on entry
+  } while (entry != restart)
+- free entry/remove from list
+
+async wait
+----------
+
+- if no thread, start thread
+- alloc a new clock entry
+- add to list of pending async waits
+- signal thread to restart timeouts
+
+async thread
+------------
+
+  while (true) {
+    if (no entry) wait for restart
+    do {
+      take first entry
+      wait on it
+     } while (entry != restart)
+     call entry signal function
+     free entry/remove from list
+   }
+  
+clock adjust
+------------
+
+- loop over sync/async entries
+- restart all entries
+
+ 
+
+
diff --git a/docs/random/wtay/padprobes b/docs/random/wtay/padprobes
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+PadProbes
+---------
+
+Required functionality
+
+ - get notification of data passing on arbitrary pad
+ - posibility to drop data
+ - posibility to change/inspect data
+ - single shot probe
+ - filter on events/buffers?
+ - filter on timestamp?
+ - filter on types of events?
+ 
+